pesukim at end of Oleinu

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12 Dec 2008 01:33 #760 by rallisw
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When were the pesukim of "HaShem yimlouch l'oulom voed"and "V'neh-ehmar v'hoyo HaShem..." included in Oleinu?

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14 Dec 2008 02:29 #764 by Michael
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They came in from Tefilas Malchuyos of Rosh Hashono. The old French Minhag was to say Kakosuv Besorosecho Hashem Yimloch. According to the Ari z"l, Vene'emar as well was added. Some added after that Uvesoroscho Kosuv Le'emor, Shma Yisroel too. This last addition was very much seen in Reform Siddurim!

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15 Dec 2008 02:22 #769 by Litvak
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This topic is touched upon in an article in the recently published (by Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz) Yerushoseinu III (see p.161-163), about kaddish after oleinu according to minhag Ashkenaz, by R. Shlomo Chaim Auman.

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21 Feb 2011 01:46 #1913 by GBaum
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Do I say at the end of Oleinu according to Nusach Ashkenaz, ככתוב בתורתך till שמו אחד or stop at כִּי הַמַּלְכוּת שֶׁלְּךָ הִיא, וּלְעוֹלְמֵי עַד תִּמְלֹךְ בְּכָבוֹד like the old nusach?

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11 Mar 2011 16:19 #1935 by Michael
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According to the old Minhag Ashekenaz (which is practiced in KAYJ and all Machon Moreshes Ashkenaz Shuls) this is not added, since it is not considered part of Oleinu. If one is in a different Shul he doesn't need to say this Psukim too. If one is in a different Shul, and would like to say (himself) Kaddish after Oleinu, he should say these Psukim (but Kaddish after Oleinu is quite problematic according to Minhag Ashkenaz).

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