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28 Feb 2008 14:19 #91 by Daniel
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Can you discuss what the reasons are to light candles over the table, hanging from the ceiling, from the chandelier device? Is this chandelier designed in a specific way or is the idea to light over the table? (I am referring to the picture in the front of both volumes of Yerushseinu).
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Daniel

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02 Mar 2008 03:22 - 18 May 2016 05:08 #103 by Michael
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The Shabbos lamp (which appears in Yerushaseinu and in color in the KAYJ choir CD), is the way Shabbos candles have been lit since the time of the Ge'onim.
Since the תקנה of lighting Shabbos candles is for שלום בית, and the time where it is most important is the se'udoh, therefore the place for the Shabbos candles is over the Shabbos table. And as far as lighting up the place, light that comes from the ceiling is always more useful than light that sits on the table, and the more light that the candles give - the more the תקנה is fulfilled, (and in addition - a candles sitting on the table are not as secure). For these reasons the Shabbos lamp was used, hanging from the ceiling over the table.
In addition to these points, the Shabbos lamp is lit with olive oil, which is an important hiddur.

Michael FRBSH

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02 Mar 2008 14:22 #111 by Daniel
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How about the number of lights that are lit? Is there a specific Minhag and reason for this amount? (I am aware that some only light two and some light for the number of members in their household – what is the Yekke Minhag)?

Daniel

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05 Mar 2008 03:40 - 18 May 2016 05:08 #119 by Michael
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In the Shabbos lamps there were between 6 to 8 lights. Yet 7 was quite rare since it wasn't as esthetic (because it wasn't symmetric), and also for Halachic reasons (it's a problem to do a chandelier similar to the Menorah, and the Menorah had 7 lights). Usually the richer people had 8 lights. Many of them lit two candles also, this way they had two candles because of שמור and זכור (see Shulchan Oruch siman רס"ג se'if א), and 10 lights altogether because of the ten commandments (see Mishna Brurah se'if koton ו from the Shlo"h).
Those who didn't have a Shabbos lamp would light only two candles (for שמור and זכור).

Michael FRBSH

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22 May 2009 21:39 #1034 by rallisw
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When one lights Nerous Shabbos, how many does one light (only 2 candles?, a candle for each member of the household?, does one light 3 candles if one forgot to light one Erev Shabbos?)?

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22 May 2009 21:42 #1035 by Michael
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The Minhag of lighting a candle for everyone in the family is a late Chassidic Minhag and definitely was not the minhag in Ashkenaz.
In Ashkenaz the Shabbos Lamp was used, as described above, and one who didn't have a Shabbos Lamp lit 2 candles.
If someone forgets to light a candle - she has to light an additional candle form that Shabbos and on, for the rest of her life.

Michael FRBSH

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05 Aug 2009 02:49 #1208 by MPerlman
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From what is a Shabbos Lamp constructed? Metal, wood, etc.? Where can one purchase a Shabbos Lamp? Can one make one out of wood?

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06 Aug 2009 14:08 #1211 by Daniel
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The typical Shabbos Lamp is constructed of metal (brass actually) – although it can be made of anything or of any design. I have seen some up for auction constructed from silver. The point is to have it over the table. Yet, the original design can still be purchased in a few locations. One of these places is from an artisan in Me’ah Shearim. I purchased my lamp from him.

Daniel

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07 Aug 2009 18:06 #1222 by Michael
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Shabbos Lamps were made out of metal. (I would assume if you make them out of wood they could burn).

Very good Shabbos Lamps could be obtained in Lakewood or New York from someone by the name of Rothschield (for 150$). Please write to mfriedman@kayj.net for more details.

Michael FRBSH

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21 Jul 2017 17:42 #2813 by Michael
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Here is an update I got from R' Bloomenstiel:

I spoke with the fellow who is making them.

For future reference, these are the current details:

The person to contact is Yaakov Rothschild in Brooklyn. His number is 718-258-0600.

The current Price is $400. Also – they are not being made anymore. They have only a few still available. I got the impression that it as under a dozen.

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