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17 Jan 2015 23:24 #2498
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BGDCPT Ashkenazim say Tav-Sav, Beit-Veit, Pei-Fei. But why Ashkenazim don't say the same group's Gimmel-Ghimmel, Dalet-Dhalet, Caf-Ckhaf?
Or all six letters must be hard-soft or none of them but not a part definitely! Why Ashkenazim say just a part of those words correctly?
But Sefer-Yetzirah says about another model BeGeD CaPoReT, where is Reish-Rheish form (I saw in Tanakh Reish with Dagesh many times).
Or all six letters must be hard-soft or none of them but not a part definitely! Why Ashkenazim say just a part of those words correctly?
But Sefer-Yetzirah says about another model BeGeD CaPoReT, where is Reish-Rheish form (I saw in Tanakh Reish with Dagesh many times).
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29 Jan 2015 08:52 #2503
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Ashkenazim have always distinguished kaf and khaf.
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29 Jan 2015 15:41 #2504
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I think the question would be mostly about Daled and Gimel. The Yemenites have one of the Gimels similar to the letter "J" in English. And one of the Daleds similar to "TH" (as in "the", "those" etc.). They also pronounce the Tof without a Dagesh as "TH" (as in "three", "think" etc.).
Someone one pointed out something interesting - all the letters which are not used in German, are not found in the way we pronounce the Hebrew letters, (since the Jews in Europe come from Germany). This could also be the reason there is also no "W" (and the letters ו and ב sound the same).
Someone one pointed out something interesting - all the letters which are not used in German, are not found in the way we pronounce the Hebrew letters, (since the Jews in Europe come from Germany). This could also be the reason there is also no "W" (and the letters ו and ב sound the same).
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29 Jan 2015 15:57 #2505
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Is it true Amsterdam-Sfaraddim say Waw instead of Veit (אורהם instead of אברהם) because Arabs don't have Veit-letter?
Teimanim say Ghimmel like J-sound because of Arabian-influence, I think. Because Arabs don't have G-sound (Arabs pronounce Quph-letter like G-sound).
Do you really think Germans (Yiddish?) influenced Ivrit as Arabs influenced Teimani-Ivrit too?
Teimanim say Ghimmel like J-sound because of Arabian-influence, I think. Because Arabs don't have G-sound (Arabs pronounce Quph-letter like G-sound).
Do you really think Germans (Yiddish?) influenced Ivrit as Arabs influenced Teimani-Ivrit too?
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30 Jan 2015 04:50 #2506
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Interestingly, there is one area in Yemen where the Arabic Gimmel still has its original hard G sound (as is widespread in Egypt). And there was also one region in Teiman where the Teimanim used a hard G for the Gimmel dgusha, instead of the J sound. I'm almost sure that it was taluy zeh bazeh. The Gimmel refuyah is pronounced by all Teimanim as a voiced khaf, just like a Gimmel degusha is a voiced kaf.
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31 Jan 2015 23:09 #2507
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Dageshed Reish in Tanakh: Hhavaqquq 3:13, Ezrah 9:6, Yirmeyahu 39:12, Shir-haShirim 5:2, Yehezkel 16:4, Mishlei 3:8 and so on.
According to Sefer-Yetzirah Reish also may be rafeh and Hhazaq in BeGaD CaPRaT.
How to pronounce Reish-rafeh, like French rh-sound in modern Israel?
According to Sefer-Yetzirah Reish also may be rafeh and Hhazaq in BeGaD CaPRaT.
How to pronounce Reish-rafeh, like French rh-sound in modern Israel?
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