Wach nacht, Bris milah, and Wimpel minhogim

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15 Aug 2011 14:00 #2024 by MBucher
I would like to know what are the Yekke customs for a bris milah.

Do they have a vach nacht? Do men come to learn with the father? All night?

Do neighbourhood kids come in at night to say shema over the baby?

What of the wimpel? What size should the cloth be?

Do the women attend the bris? The mother?

Thanks so much!

MBucher

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16 Sep 2011 18:40 #2032 by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic Wach nacht, Bris milah, and Wimpel minhogim
Please see Minhogei Bris Milloh at this link .
At the night before the Bris a Se'udoh is made, and in the Se'udoh Divrei Torah are said, or that there is a communal learning. Some people stay up all night, but that isn't common.
The people attending the Se'udoh say Shema.

Regarding the Wimpel - see Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz part 2 .

Women definitely attend the Bris Milloh (in the women section). A woman (called the Sandekes) brings the baby to the men's section.
The mother of the baby wouldn't come to the Bris in the past, but nowadays when people go by car and there are elevators in shul (so there isn't any physical effort in coming), the mother usually comes.
In general the mother wouldn't leave the house until a month after giving birth, when she would come to Shul on Shabbos to hear her husband making a Brocho on the Torah (which comes instead of Hagomel), as seen in length at Shorshei Minhag Ashkenaz part 1 .

Michael FRBSH

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02 Oct 2011 01:29 #2042 by MBucher
Replied by MBucher on topic Wach nacht, Bris milah, and Wimpel minhogim
Shalom and thanks for the answer!
I would also like to ask if the Yekke way is to have a shalom zachar on the first Friday night after the birth, or only a vach nacht the night before the bris?
I would be interested to know what are the traditional food items and prayers for this/these event(s).

Is there a kiddush for the bris milah on the shabbes following it, or simply a small meal on the day of the bris? what would be traditional to serve? milchig or flieshig? any special item?

Where could I check the sefer your mentioned in your post, to have more infos on the wimpel? I would need to know, IYH, what exactly must be written on it and who exactly can decorate it (should the professional be frum, can be child be ben his father AND his mother, are some things not to be drawn/embroidered on such a holy thing, etc).
Thanks so much for your help!

MBucher

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09 Dec 2011 17:18 #2062 by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic Wach nacht, Bris milah, and Wimpel minhogim

I would also like to ask if the Yekke way is to have a shalom zachar on the first Friday night after the birth, or only a vach nacht the night before the bris?

It is done, (but it is called a "Zochor", as it was called in all of Europe until the 19th century, and not Sholom Zochor).

I would be interested to know what are the traditional food items and prayers for this/these event(s).

Cakes and fruits and other desserts (מיני מגדנות).

Is there a kiddush for the bris milah on the shabbes following it, or simply a small meal on the day of the bris?

There is no Kiddush on the Shabbos after the Bris, but two days after the Bris, friends of the family come to the mother's house, wash the baby and make a little party, called Shlishi Lamilloh.

What would be traditional to serve? milchig or flieshig? any special item?

Fleishig was served in the Bris meal. Just before the Holocaust we find some mentioning of a milchig meal (in Holland for example).

Where could I check the sefer your mentioned in your post, to have more infos on the wimpel?

The Hebrew volumes are out of print, and will be reprinted when the funding will be found. The English summary book can be purchased through Feldheim .

I would need to know, IYH, what exactly must be written on it and who exactly can decorate it (should the professional be frum, can be child be ben his father AND his mother, are some things not to be drawn/embroidered on such a holy thing, etc).

It could be done by anyone, although it is best if it could be done by the mother or by relatives. But the most important thing is that it comes out nice.

Michael FRBSH

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