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16 Jul 2008 13:27 #453 by meirk
1) In the beautiful CD "From Generation to Generation" from KAYJ (kol hakavod!!) there are nigunim for chupo. But I don't no when in the chupo do we sing this, except for Shir Hamaalaus at the end. Please, can you write about this? Thanks!
- Boruch Habo (after the chosson came, or after kalo?)
- Horiu (mizmor 100)
- Ma Tovu
- Zocharti Loch

2) In which Nigun do we sing the "Im Eshkochech"?

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Meir

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17 Jul 2008 00:09 #454 by ynathan
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Im Eshkochech

Technically speaking, there shouldn't be a need for this. Chazal set a Nusach for the Sheva Brochos, which conclude with a Tefiloh for the rebuilding of Yerusholaim. In fact, I think the whole seventh Brocho revolves around this. Why does one have to reinvent the wheel?

Furthermore, we remember Yerusholaim in the Shir Hamaalos(Tehillim 128) which is sung at the end of the Chuppah as well.

This is almost like it becoming politically correct to say Tehillim 83 after Shacharis, even though Minhog Ashkenaz has been doing this for hundreds of years!

Yehuda Nathan

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17 Jul 2008 00:43 #455 by Michael
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The order goes as follows:
When the Chosson comes the choir greets him by singing Boruch Habo
When the Kalloh comes they do the same and sing Boruch Habo
At the very end after the 7 Brochos they sing Shir Hamalous.
Im Eshkacheich is not sung.

Outside of these songs Mah Touvu, Horiu and Mi Adir are chuppoh songs too. They are sung according to the way the families request, usually after the Kalloh comes so she can hear it sung too. In the English weddings Horiu is usually sung when the Kalloh goes around the Chosson (if I'm not mistaken), but according to minhag Ashkenaz the Kalloh did not go around the Chosson, so therefore in KAYJ weddings Horiu is usually just done after one of the Boruch Habo's, (or for those who add the Chuppas Mein - at that time).
We usually sing for the Chosson and the Kalloh two different Boruch habo's as heard in the choir CD.

Zocharti Loch is not a wedding song, but since we were asked many times to sing it in the wedding meal, we put it in the CD too.

Michael

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17 Jul 2008 03:44 #457 by meirk
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Thanks for the answer!

And why davka this perek (100) of Tehilim? Whats the reason?

Does the chosson say "im eshkochech" before he breaks the cup? Or doesn't he even say it?

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Meir

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18 Jul 2008 14:11 #461 by Michael
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Psalm 100 in Tehillim starts Mizmor Lesoudoh - a song of thanks.
This song is keneged Korbon Toudoh, therefore we do not say it on Erev Pesach and on Pesach, days that Korbon Toudoh cannot be brought. For that reason, a wedding is a very appropriate place to be singing this, and to thank Hashem for this happy occasion.

Michael

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18 Jul 2008 14:24 #462 by Michael
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Im Eshkacheich was not said in weddings in Ashkenaz, and not in Poland or Lithuania too. It is quite a recent thing to say it. As Yehudah Nathan explains - Yerushalayim is mentioned many times in the Chuppoh even without adding Im Eshkacheich.

Michael FRBSH

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27 Jul 2008 13:25 #474 by meirk
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When do we sing the "shir hamaalaus" in the chupo? After braking the cup, or before?

Meir

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27 Jul 2008 13:36 #477 by Michael
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Shir Hamalous is sung at the very end of the wedding, after all the brochous were said, and the glass cup was broken.

Michael

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