White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
- MPerlman
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 121
- Thank you received: 1
17 Nov 2009 14:46 #1507
by MPerlman
Replied by MPerlman on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Is there a difference between Tachrichim and a Sargenes? Could one just go to the local Chevra Kadisha and obtain Tachrichim and wear those on RH and YK?
MPerlman
MPerlman
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Michael
- Offline
11 Dec 2009 13:39 #1531
by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
If you go the Chevra Kadisha in Elzas, you will find the same Sargenes used for Yomim Noro'im. In Eretz Yisroel most likely the Sargenes will be quite different.
Michael FRBSH
Michael FRBSH
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- RSteinberger
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 33
- Thank you received: 0
11 Dec 2009 16:08 #1533
by RSteinberger
Replied by RSteinberger on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
I know it’s nearly Chanuka, but I’ve only just joined this forum and have been reading some of the topics.
So here’s my first post on the subject of wearing white on Rosh Hashana. It seems to me that the custom of a white tallis and white kittel are hinted at by the Tur and the Yalkut (Parshas Vo’eschanan) in the reference to being Lovshim Le’vonim and Mis’atphim Le’vonim, which I take to refer to the Kittel and the Tallis. I would be happy to hear comments on this.
Regards
Richard St
So here’s my first post on the subject of wearing white on Rosh Hashana. It seems to me that the custom of a white tallis and white kittel are hinted at by the Tur and the Yalkut (Parshas Vo’eschanan) in the reference to being Lovshim Le’vonim and Mis’atphim Le’vonim, which I take to refer to the Kittel and the Tallis. I would be happy to hear comments on this.
Regards
Richard St
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Michael
- Offline
13 Dec 2009 14:37 #1542
by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- JMGoldschmidt
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 4
- Thank you received: 0
25 Sep 2011 13:21 #2038
by JMGoldschmidt
Replied by JMGoldschmidt on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Should one wear a kittel on Rosh Hashanah even if he is davening with a tzibbur where no one else has this minhag? Also, the same applies re: wearing one's hat for Shacharis. I seem to recall an essay from R. Schwab in regards to a hat that one should not.
JMGoldschmidt
JMGoldschmidt
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Michael
- Offline
28 Sep 2011 15:55 - 07 Jun 2017 00:43 #2040
by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Michael
- Offline
28 Sep 2011 21:27 #2041
by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
If the Tzibbur isn't bothered by the fact you will be wearing a Sargenes, one should wear it.
Michael FRBSH
Michael FRBSH
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Michael
- Offline
31 Jul 2015 18:23 - 31 Jul 2015 18:24 #2611
by Michael
Replied by Michael on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
The address for buying a white kaepchen in EY is:
דינר, שמשון רפאל. נתיבות המשפט 44, מודיעין עילית 7182822
Telephone number 08-9742786
דינר, שמשון רפאל. נתיבות המשפט 44, מודיעין עילית 7182822
Telephone number 08-9742786
The following user(s) said Thank You: ShlGug
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Israel
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 57
- Thank you received: 1
31 Jul 2015 18:53 #2612
by Israel
Replied by Israel on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Can somebody tell me how to pronounce sargenes?
Is it Sar -gen -es
or
Sar-gen
or
Sar - genes?
Is it Sar -gen -es
or
Sar-gen
or
Sar - genes?
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Israel
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 57
- Thank you received: 1
02 Aug 2015 12:17 #2614
by Israel
Replied by Israel on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
The answer to my question regarding pronunciation is in Tefiloh Sefas Yisroel, XXXVII. It's given there in yiddish letters and appears to say Sarg - nes סארגנס or could be sarge-eness.
Regarding the headcovering the pron. seems to be kep-shen. page XXXVII
Regarding the headcovering the pron. seems to be kep-shen. page XXXVII
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- Israel
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 57
- Thank you received: 1
28 Aug 2015 18:39 #2646
by Israel
Replied by Israel on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
I just spoke to a German friend, real German, who says the word is pronounced - at least by gentile Germans - as cap-chen with a ch like a chof.
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- RSteinberger
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 33
- Thank you received: 0
25 Sep 2015 12:16 #2663
by RSteinberger
Replied by RSteinberger on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
You can order a Kapchen from Goldschmidt in Basel, although it is called a Mütze there, see:
www.victorgoldschmidt.ch/gebetbuecher/ro...om-kippur/muetze.php
Also the website is only in German, so it is a challenge to order it on-line if you don’t speak the language.
G’mar Tov
www.victorgoldschmidt.ch/gebetbuecher/ro...om-kippur/muetze.php
Also the website is only in German, so it is a challenge to order it on-line if you don’t speak the language.
G’mar Tov
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- NMuhlgay
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 93
- Thank you received: 6
26 Sep 2015 01:11 #2665
by NMuhlgay
Replied by NMuhlgay on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
For those in the US, Henry Lehmann of KAJ/WH makes and sells them, as well as the black ones worn throughout the year. His email is This email address is being protected from spambots. You need JavaScript enabled to view it. .
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- JBieler
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 3
- Thank you received: 0
27 Sep 2015 03:39 #2666
by JBieler
Replied by JBieler on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
Gut Woch,
if your have Bitochaun in a native German's pronunciaton and Messauro: It is Sár-ge-ness. The stress is a little at the front.
Gut Jaumtauw
if your have Bitochaun in a native German's pronunciaton and Messauro: It is Sár-ge-ness. The stress is a little at the front.
Gut Jaumtauw
Please Log in to join the conversation.
- JBieler
- Offline
Less
More
- Posts: 3
- Thank you received: 0
27 Sep 2015 04:03 #2667
by JBieler
Replied by JBieler on topic White Kaepchen, Sargenes, Tallis For R"H and Y"K
And the other one.. It is Käppchen. Stress upfront, very short. And the Umlaut ä is pronounced almost like in elderly (like at the beginning of the word) or eligible or enter.
Please Log in to join the conversation.