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TOPIC: Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah

Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 08 Dec 2008 19:11 #753

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Please recap which parts of the actual Tefillah are said from the Bimah vs. the Amud.

Is it only for Kabbolas Shabbos until after Hashem Malach and Yekum Purkan until Y'hallelu before Musaf that is said from the Bimah? Is Mussaf of Shabbos ever said from the Bimah, and, if so, under what conditions? The reason, as I understand it, is that the later additions are said from the Bimah in order to indicate that they are additions and not part of the original nusach ha'tefilloh. Is this correct?

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 08 Dec 2008 19:13 #754

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The minhag today is as you mentioned - from Lecho Doudi until Hashem moloch is said by the Bimah (because they are late additions), and Kri'as Hatoroh until Yehalelu is said by the Bimah (since it is the place of reading the Torah).

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 08 Dec 2008 19:41 #755

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I see that in many shuls here in the US that Musaf is continued at the Bimah. Is there a source for this or is it rather a lack of understanding as to what we should do? Perhaps it is a result of instances where a shul only has a Bimah and no Amud???

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 13 Dec 2008 18:47 #766

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There wasn't a minhag in Europe to continue Musaf by the Bimah. It may be a mistake as you mentioned.

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 02 Jan 2010 17:08 #1571

Michael wrote:
The minhag today is as you mentioned - from Lecho Doudi until Hashem moloch is said by the Bimah (because they are late additions), and Kri'as Hatoroh until Yehalelu is said by the Bimah (since it is the place of reading the Torah).

So then our minhag (Pressburg) was to say those six kapitlech of Tehillim from the amud? I have seen that in Budapest in kazincy.

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 04 Jan 2010 11:34 #1574

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Minhag Pressburg is also to say the Mizmorei Tehillim by the omud (in Pressburg usually the Ba'al Tefilloh of Mincho said them), and to say the Lecho Doudi by the Bimah (in the recent generations this was done by the Chazan and the choir).

Minhag Pressburg in general is very similar to Minhag Frankfurt, and it is so nice to see that the Minhogim are being revived in Pressburg (Bratislava) itself - אשריכם!

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 27 Feb 2011 06:24 #1918

In our shul the hazzan stands at the bimah for Kabbalat Shabbat and then moves to the amud for Arvit. Recently someone asked: is there a preference as to whether he should remain at the bimah while saying Bameh Madlikin (which we say before Barchu) or move to the amud to say it. Any information on this?

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 11 Mar 2011 08:05 #1934

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According to Minhag Ashkenaz Bameh Madlikin is said after Arvis (as Takonas Hageonim) by the Omud, therefore this question has never been discussed by Poskei Ashkenaz.

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 30 Jul 2017 14:32 #2819

The mesora in Elzos was that all of the tefillos, krias hatorah, and drashos were from the alememar. The shuls didn't even have an amud!

Does anyone on the forum know the historical or seforim-based reasons for this?

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 02 Aug 2017 15:36 #2822

What is Elzos? Is that Alsace-Lorraine?
If so it is possible their leading all davening from the bima might be influenced by the Spanish Portugese who I believe do the same thing.
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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 02 Aug 2017 18:49 #2823

DDelaney,

Elzos = Alsace. It is quite a distance from Holland, England, or other places where Spanish/Portuguese communities were located. Could be connected though - one never knows.

I have some old family photos from synagogues in Alsace, and only one (I think in either Bichweiler or Bouxweiller) had an amud.

BTW - It was GREAT reconnecting with you on the phone today. We miss you guys and think of you often!

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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 02 Aug 2017 19:07 #2824

At Ner Tamid in Baltimore, they lead all davening at the bima. They also have someone has completed an aliyah stand at the left side of the bimah, rather than at the right.
I believe this is/was done by some or all Alsation and other Ashkenaz congregations.
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Leading tefillos from the Amud vs. from the Bimah 02 Aug 2017 19:26 #2825

I do seem to recall that from the two or three times that I davened there. Yes - in Alsace everyone typically went to the left.
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